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A response to: “Anthroposophy and Waldorf Education: The Web as Will and Idea” – Can Digital Media be Redeemed?

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Web Internet SpiderThe following is my response to a recent article by Eugene Schwartz entitled “Anthroposophy and Waldorf Education: The Web as Will and Idea”, which is Eugene’s response to an article by the renowned anthroposophist Sergei Prokofieff, who wrote a remarkable article entitled “The Being of the Internet”, in which he argued that the digital media are carriers of such darkness that they are unredeemable.  The following will make the most sense if Eugene’s article (and ideally Prokofieff’s as well) is read first, but can still stand on its own as my opinion.

Eugene has written a timely and well-considered article. As someone who has “grown up” (at the time of this writing I’m currently 33) watching and participating fully in the birth of the internet (I had an email address years before the world wide web existed), I am disheartened when anthroposophists shy away from what I consider to be an important task: the appropriate usage of these new kinds of technology.

By appropriate, I mean utilizing the technology as a means of furthering a progressive human development. Of course what constitutes “progressive” or “development” can be hotly debated, but for me this involves not just empowering people through providing access to information of an esoteric nature that they might not otherwise have, but in providing the context for the shared creation of meaning in ways that are dynamically capable of leading towards real transformation.

The ahrimanic nature of the internet lies primarily in the way that supports the decontextualization of meaning-making from the soul lives of its human participants. It allows us to abstract too easily, to decontextualize parts of ourselves in ways that challenge a healthy development. But at the same time the internet is the potential carrier of both luciferic impulses (getting willfully lost in online environments, expressions of rage, rampant self-satisfaction seeking opportunities, etc.) and Christ impulses as well.

As always, the Christ-like impulses are a bit more subtle, a little less oriented towards appearing with a particular veneer, but no less powerful for all that. I am speaking of how the internet is used to help bring groups of people together in ways that fosters both community and action, and which promote love and change. This occurs not merely through sharing information, but in the literal creation of an in-between space which can be filled with the soul-activity and spirit-light of individual wills. This, I think, is what it looks like to “redeem” the internet. It happens when people are given tools to become active participants in the dynamic creation of meaning that fosters transformation and love.

The challenge, as with the bringing into one’s heart of any Christ impulse, is that it occurs not by default, and not by control, but through a conscious surrendering of one’s will to a higher will, which is experienced both as a suffering and a redemption. Ahriman, I imagine, would like us to use the internet to manipulate and control so that we forget the much greater power available through this kind of conscious suffering, while Lucifer would be happy if we continued to use the internet to satisfy our desires and create infinite personalities for ourselves.

The alchemists understood that nothing could go untransformed if the magnum opus is to be achieved. Their saying “As above, so below; as below, so above” was not an academic one about correlation; it meant that in order to reach the highest potential available to us, we had to transform our lowest aspects. This applied too to the outer world: nothing could ultimately go unredeemed, and if we ever decide to “write off” some aspect of reality as beyond hope, beyond action, and beyond transformation, then the forces of darkness will claim a victory.

We must work together to build the world we wish to live in. It is a horrible mistake to try and divorce technology from morality, and to claim that “it’s all in how it is used.” Some technologies are more evil than others, but the internet is not an atomic bomb. The development of the internet, although beginning as a defense-oriented technology (not incidentally as a technology to help counter the potential effects of nuclear weapons), almost immediately was taken up and used for other means; primarily education. There are countless ways in which both the development and usage of the internet fosters healthy development of human beings–in ways not completely without strings, of course, but also not in ways that make its usage “unredeemable.”

What we cannot do is let the regressive impulses have their way with the internet and co-opt the minds and souls of human beings for their own uses without a Michaelic challenge, a challenge for the creation of spirit-based groups of individuals (which are different than just ‘groups’), a challenge to permeate the spiritual spaces of the internet with transformed will, with conscious sacrifice, with love of transformation and a transformation of love.

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— Seth Miller

Act in order to know.

— Bradford Keeney

Stated simply: all that we know and are: vicious circles and virtuous circles.

— Bradford Keeney

Projection is perception.

— Michael Librie

To know yourself, change.

To know the other, change your interaction with the other.

It takes two to know one.

Cybernetics is the science of wisdom circles.

Gravity is a thing invented by Isaac Newton to explain things which otherwise require harder thinking.

— Bradford Keeney

Self-esteem is a thing invented by psychologists to explain things which otherwise require harder thinking

— Bradford Keeney

I love things complexly because they are complex.

— Jerome Ysroael Lettvin

The best way to predict the future is to invent it.

— Alan Kay

The problems of today cannot be solved by the level of thinking that created them.

— Albert Einstein

The vast majority of human beings dislike and even dread all notions with which they are not familiar. Hence it comes about, that at their first appearance, innovators have always been divided as fools and madmen.

— Aldous Huxley

We don’t see things as they are, we see them as we are.

— Anais Nin

Art is a lie that helps us to realize the truth.

— Pablo Picasso

Painting is silent poetry, and poetry is painting that speaks.

— James McNeill Whistler

The fascinating thing, is not to show the source of light, but the effect of light.

— Edgar Degas

Like an ability or a muscle, hearing your inner wisdom is strengthened by doing it.

— Robbie Gass

Good art is not what it looks like, but what it does to us.

— Elliot Eisner

That homo has a brain no more entitles him to assume he knows how he thinks than possession of a liver entitles him to assume that he knows how he metabolizes.

— Ross Ashby

No system adapts to the changing: it can adapt only to what is constant.

— Ross Ashby

Truth is a process, not a result.

— Seth Miller

Respect that which is more complicated than our ability to know.

— Bradford Keeney

The world is self-verifying.

— Bradford Keeney

Intuition, rather than being that which is dependent upon something unique to myself, is rather precisely that which I cannot claim as my own.

— Seth Miller

All of nature begins to whisper its secrets to us through its sounds. Sounds that were previously incomprehensible to our soul now become the meaningful language of nature.

— Rudolf Steiner

Love extends beyond the bounds of family to all human beings and is changed into vivifying, creative, transmuting power.

— Rudolf Steiner

What would the World be like if Newton had asked ‘Why does the tree grow up?’ as opposed to ‘Why does the apple fall down.’?

— Annette Kearl

Every claim transforms when seen from a higher order level of organization.

— Seth Miller

Creativity should not be too linked to personal desire, because the deepest source of creativity is–in the end–always found beyond the part of ourselves that initiates desire.

— Seth Miller

Passionate inquiry _IS_ creative inquiry.

— Bradford Keeney

Passion dissolves categoricals.

— Seth Miller

Play is the new metaphor of our time.

— Bradford Keeney

Honor thy error.

— Brian Eno

If you ain’t makin’ mistakes, you ain’t tryin’.

— Jazz Wisdom

Chaos is the breakdown of order… or it is order of an infinitely high degree.

— David Peat

Don’t ask what the word means, ask how it is used.

— Wittgenstein

Is the chaos the breakdown of order, or is the order a breakdown of chaos?

— David Peat

There is no psychology; there is only biography and autobiography.

— Thomas Szasz

The unconscious does not have the ability to negate.

— Bradford Keeney

Perform your vision.

— Bradford Keeney

Writing is a great mystery, because you submit yourself to the gods and you are played.

— Bradford Keeney

What is the question behind the question?

— David Peat

Alchemy never died.

— David Peat

The looking is subjective; the finding is objective.

— David Peat

What I cannot create, I do not understand.

— Richard Feynman

Since we are meaning-making creatures, any theory of meaning we concoct must be a tacit theory about who we are.

— Bruce Wilshire, The Moral Collapse of the Univeristy

The limits of the imagination are unimaginable.

— Bruce Wilshire, The Moral Collapse of the Univeristy

Education is basically a moral relationship between persons devoted to truth.

— Bruce Wilshire, The Moral Collapse of the Univeristy

As with the body, so with the world experienced by it.

— Bruce Wilshire, The Moral Collapse of the Univeristy

Can we let go of our attachment to being “right” and explore what’s left?

— Alfonso Montuori

While we see ourselves as using knowledge, it may be more accurate to say that what we know is using us: We are drawn into responding to all that occurs around us.

— Tarthang Tulku

Positions, then, are defended in an adversarial style because the positions are the spaces occupied by the self–the self IS its positions. [And then one’s] positions become impositions.

— Alfonso Montuori

The labels and ideas that structure experience will naturally also shape and guide our questioning. But recognized as labels and ideas, they lose their power to confine the range of inquiry, and instead become elements available for investigation.

— Tarthang Tulku

The attitude we adopt in carrying out our investigation shape the attributes we find in the world we investigate.

— Tarthang Tulku

Knowing limits as limits, we know them also as knowledge. Aware of the mind as the one that affirms limits, we can ask whether mind too is knowledge. If so, knowledge becomes freely available in a previously unsuspected way. Self-sufficient, self-reliant, and dynamic, the mind expresses knowledge not as content but as capacity.

— Tarthang Tulku

It’s not about the said; it’s about the SAYING. It’s not about the movement, it’s about the MOVING!

— Bradford Keeney, Personal communication, paraphase

It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows.

— Epictetus

Metaphors are what thought is all about. We use metaphor consciously or unconsciously, all the time, so it is a matter of mental hygiene to take responsibility for these metaphors, to look at them carefully, to see how meanings slide form one to the other. Any metaphor is double-sided .. offering both new insight and new confusion. The solution is to take responsibility for the choice of metaphors, to savor them and ponder their suggestions. Above all to live with many and take no one metaphor as absolute. A metaphor goes on generating ideas and question, so that a metaphorical approach to the world is endlessly fertile and involves constant learning. A good metaphor continues to instruct.

— Mary Catherine Bateson

Rigor and imagination: the two great contraries of mental process, either of which by itself is lethal. Rigor alone is paralytic death, but imagination alone is insanity.

— Gregory Bateson

Set aside visions of the larger whole, and even of the parts, and embody the patterns in between.

— Deborah Bird Rose

The purpose of art is to lay bare the questions which have been hidden by the answers.

— James Baldwin

A way of seeing is also a way of not seeing.

— Kenneth Burke

You don’t know what you are doing until you first get lost in the doing of it.

— Bradford Keeney

Lost can be good if you dance it.

— Bradford Keeney

Question: If the Ouroborus was on fire, and he ate his tail, would he get heartburn?

— Joseph Mageary, personal communication

As we are, so we know.
As our knowing forms,
such is our becoming.

— Bradford Keeney

It is the weave of the context that holds a complexity that cannot be stripped to a singular agent.

— Bradford Keeney

I am the observed relation between myself and observing myself.

— Heinz von Foerster

‘I’ is a relator (and representor) of infinite order.

— Heinz von Foerster

Objects and events are not primary experiences. ‘Objects’ and ‘Events’ are representations of relations.

— Heinz von Foerster

An organism is its own ultimate object.

— Heinz von Foerster

Terminal representations (descriptions) made by an organism are manifest in its movements; consequently, the logical structure of descriptions arises from the logical structure of movements.

— Heinz von Foerster

The real beginning of mentality is the birthplace of error, and herewith truth.

— Heinz von Foerster

Information and its utilization are inseparable constituting one single process.

— Heinz von Foerster

The information associated with a description depends on an observer’s ability to draw inferences from this description.

— Heinz von Foerster

Change’ presupposes invariance and ‘invariance’ change.

— Heinz von Foerster

Act always so as to increase the number of choices.

— Heinz von Foerster

Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect.

— Chief Seattle

Cause and effect act in webs, not chains.

— Steve Grand

Ideas are differences that are immanent in the pathways in which they circulate.

— Bradford Keeney

What I distinguish distinguishes what I can distinguish.

— Seth Miller

Differences differentiate my differentiating.

— Seth Miller

Our distinctions, if not subject to the hands of divine play, may lead us toward creating paralyzing towers of Babel or overly simplistic mouse traps for trying to catch what matters most. In other words our ideas need a hug. There is nothing in their logic that matters. Logic is not logical in my heart. What matters is whether our ideas, distinctions, and chit chat have love and n/om, that is, are embraced in a more encompassing courtship. Even what I write is silly and misses the mark, but I am trying to point to something that accentuates living rather than re-figuring. I am saluting the use of words as incantations and evocations to liberate a theology of play and a biology of hugging. Our reason is to be kissed by the gods.

— Bradford Keeney

I never believed in trying to do anything. Whatever I set out to do I found I had already accomplished.

— Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Rest not! Life is sweeping by; go dare before you die. / Something mighty and sublime, leave behind to conquer time.

— Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Fresh activity is the only means of overcoming adversity.

— Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Knowing is not enough; we must apply. Willing is not enough; we must do.

— Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Beauty is everywhere a welcome guest.

— Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

A man should hear a little music, read a little poetry, and see a fine picture every day of his life, in order that worldly cares may not obliterate the sense of the beautiful which God has implanted in the human soul.

— Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Boldness has genius, power and magic. Engage, and the mind grows heated. Begin, and the work will be completed.

— Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Colours are light’s suffering and joy.

— Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

The moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. All sorts of things occur to help one that would never otherwise have occurred. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one’s favor all manner of unforseen incidents and meetings and material assistance which no man could have dreamed would have come his way.

— Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

The dangers of life are infinite, and among them is safety.

— Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Whatever you can do or dream you can, begin it. Begin it now.

— Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Dream no small dreams for they have no power to move the hearts of men.

— Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

For a man to achieve all that is demanded of him he must regard himself as greater than he is.

— Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Experience is only half of experience.

— Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.

— Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Thinking is more interesting than knowing, but less interesting than looking

— Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

One never goes so far as when one doesn’t know where one is going.

— Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

This is the highest wisdom that I own: freedom and life are earned by those alone who conquer them each day anew.

— Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Everything in the world may be endured except continual prosperity.

— Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Without haste, but without rest.

— Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

A man doesn’t learn to understand anything unless he loves it.

— Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

I would like to suggest that we analyze a philosophy not just for its correctness or consistency, but for its underlying metaphors, the degree of consciousness in their employment, the psychological needs met by the philosophy, its psychological distance from body, place, and world, and its consequences for how we live on this planet.

Creative transformation will reinvent the question, the questioner, and all those participating and/or reading the research.

— Bill Allison

Every fact is accompanied by the cutting edge of an epistemological knife, the wielding of which makes worlds.

— Seth Miller

Every action embodies an epistemology. An essential aspect of transformation involves awakening to the implied epistemological distinctions that are hidden within our will.

— Seth Miller

The teaching of moral development is not the same as the impulse for such development.

Cognition can never fully encompass the nature of its own activity in a description.

We do not tell stories only: we are stories.

— Craig Chalquist

What is present in thinking is always already changing the thought.

— Jeff Falzone

Questions are just assumptions that haven’t put on their pants yet.

— Jeff Falzone

Love is the only reality and it is not a mere sentiment. It is the ultimate truth that lies at the heart of creation.

— Rabindranath Tagore

All truth is absolutely relative; all truth is relatively absolute, including this one.

— Seth Miller

Distinction is also always relation at a higher level.

— Seth Miller

Without work, play is nothing, but if there is work, play is higher than work.

— Eugene Gendlin

A paradox is always a promise of a further step.

— Eugene Gendlin, How the New Can Come – phone seminar

Circularity is the destiny of any epistemology.

— Richard Jung

It is not because of compulsion from a reality outside the soul that one forms a mathematical or mechanical picture of the world, but rather because one has given shape in one’s soul to mathematical and mechanical pictures and thus opened an inner source of illumination for what manifests in the outer world in a mathematical and mechanical way.

— Rudolf Steiner, Riddles of the Soul, p. 101

All the qualities of the physical world exist through the interrelations of things to each other. What Moleschott says is correct for physical existence: “All existence is an existence through qualities. But there is no quality that does not exist through a relation.” Just as everything of a soul nature contains something in itself by which it points to something outside itself, so conversely, a physical thing is so constituted that it is what it is through the relation to it of something outer.

— Rudolf Steiner, Riddles of the Soul, p. 69

That alone is fixed and certain that is subject to change.

— C.G. Jung, Septem Sermones ad Mortuos, 1916

To be real is to be in relation.

— Seth Miller

Every action embodies an epistemology.

— Seth Miller

Any logical move is only “a move” by virtue of the distinction that it is an enactment of.

— Seth Miller

Distinction is the form of thinking; thinking is the enacting of the form of distinction.

— Seth Miller

Logic gives mathematics the ability to be true, but it is thinking which creates logic.

— Seth Miller

Living thinking explicates its implying; thoughting only implies its implying.

— Seth Miller

The fundamental pattern is the unity of the distinction between itself and unity.

— Seth Miller

Reason is a stage thinking creates for its own acting.

— Seth Miller

It is only we who can objectify our own consciousness. This should tell you something.

— Seth Miller

A concept is precisely what appears when the thinking that produces it ceases.

— Seth Miller

The “I” is the participatory event of its own coming-into-being through recursive distinction of itself.

— Seth Miller

In the “I” is the experience of the direct union of the “I’s” epistemological knowing of itself with its ontological becoming of itself.

— Seth Miller

The “I” is that place in experience where knowing and being are directly united: the epistemological content of the experience is simultaneously the realization of the “I’s” actuality, and the ontological actuality of the “I” is nothing other than the knowing of this fact.

— Seth Miller

We can only escape epistemology by being ignorant of the fact that we cannot escape epistemology.

— Seth Miller

Thinking is the activity of distinction; distinction is the activity of thinking.

— Seth Miller

How we know our knowing involves more than knowing.

— Seth Miller

Every knowing is simultaneously an unknowing. Every revealing is simultaneously a veiling.

— Seth Miller

Thinking is self-obfuscating.

— Seth Miller

The laws of nature _are_ the objects of nature.

— Seth Miller

We can change our knowing by changing our being; we can change our being by changing our knowing.

— Seth Miller

Distinction is also always relation at a higher level.

— Seth Miller

Thinking’s self-reflection IS transformation.

— Seth Miller

When thinking sleeps, objects appear.

— Seth Miller

Tautologies say nothing; Paradoxes say everything.

…to design a “computer” which computes color, shape and all that thing, which are new dimensions generated by the corpus by a series of wired-in paradoxes, which will resolve them in such a fashion that these dimensions are created. We always begin with dimension. When a dimension is created, we may have the paradox in the computation. But before you have that dimension, you have to come up with a paradox. This is of course the paradox of the first injunction. And so on and so forth; I mean, all these things come about directly by taking the paradoxes seriously and using them as a generating principle of new dimensions.

Thingness is a subset of relatedness.

— Seth Miller

The reason for reason always lies beyond mere reason.

— Seth Miller

In its knowing, epistemology always exceeds what it knows.

— Seth Miller

Every action embodies an epistemology.

— Seth Miller

How we know limits reality, and reality limits what we know.

— Seth Miller

The epistemology of difference is an ontology of evolution; the ontology of evolution is the epistemology of difference.

— Seth Miller

All polarities are also unities.

— Seth Miller

There is no distinction given by the senses alone; senses themseleves do not distiguish. The senses are what thinking makes of itself in distinguishing. The senses follow thinking. This phrase is meant both epistemologically and ontologically. But the senses are in a recursion with thinking; thinking also follows the senses.

— Seth Miller

Thinking discovers itself to be a two-fold activity at its most fundamental level: it IS what unifies the distinctions it MAKES.

— Seth Miller

Transformation becomes possible when a process cannot carry itself forward within the already-existing mode of its integration with the whole.

— Seth Miller

The stopping of a process is its continued implying at a new level.

— Seth Miller

The whole is newly whole by virtue of the part created from it.

— Seth Miller

The only valid move for the ‘undifferentiated-all-one’ is self-differentiation.

— Seth Miller

A man doesn’t learn to understand anything unless he loves it.

— Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

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8 responses to “A response to: “Anthroposophy and Waldorf Education: The Web as Will and Idea” – Can Digital Media be Redeemed?”

  1. Joel A. Wendt Avatar
    Joel A. Wendt

    Seth, … this redemption need of digital media is why I started my work on creating videos for youtube. After a couple of years thinking about it (I am hopelessly phlegmatic), I finally got my production going, and it has accelerated during the period of the Holy Nights. Produced four videos three days ago, four more two days ago, and five yesterday (Dec 31st.). The response, while small, has all been very positive. My channel there is: "Joel 232001" (be sure to put the space in, if you go to visit). These things can grow as you know, so what will be happening a year from now is "who knows?". As to Prokofieff, well my comments on him can be found here: http://ipwebdev.com/hermit/Prokofieffbookreview.h… I'm glad to hear Eugene S. made a reply to Profofieff's latent and erroneous judgmentalism, and inability to actually think organically etc. Joel

    1. arapacana Avatar

      Joel,
      Thanks for pointing out your channel… I'll check it out!

  2. Svetlana Avatar
    Svetlana

    Prokofieff in writing such an essay has given us material to meditate and ponder over and even though he
    has expressed an opinion or the thread of his thinking, it is not nessesary to close the question revealed in this writing. A practicing alchemist would try to keep the question open!!!!!!! Or even try to create his own question giving us another facet to ponder etc. The question of what the being of the internet will morph into in the future, and our relationship to it is a very important one which can be easily trivialised in a few paragraphs of commentry. There are some things which just can't be explored and nurtured in this virtual box.
    Svetlana

    1. arapacana Avatar

      Svetlana,
      Thanks for reading and commenting. To address your concern, I guess I am uncertain as to what makes you feel like the question is closed… In fact, I am in complete agreement that the question must continually be re-asked (otherwise it's no question at all, just a mere curiosity). Circumstances continually change, and our questions–if they are asked over and over–will necessarily shift and change as well, revealing new facets and letting others fall away.

      But the whole thrust of my post is not about what the internet will morph into in the future, but what we do with it now. You are completely correct that "some things just can't be explored and nurtured in this virtual box." It would be ridiculous to try and squeeze all of what is potentially available for human experience into any virtual environment–but nobody is doing that here. :-)

      The thrust of the post is meant to be a call to 'do what can be done' — in the present — to use the technology of the internet in Michaelic ways, and that it is a mistake to abandon the internet as "irredeemable" without making the effort to penetrate its activity with our own transformed wills. This means–right now, in this very conversation!–that we must work towards a higher impulse, and not fall into the patterns of objectification and judgment of the other, the little power struggles which are anathema to the Christ-being, because they dissolve "the space between", and keep both Ahriman and Lucifer happy.

      The challenge to the soul is direct; it calls for a certain suffering. But it is a suffering that bears with it an inner steadfastness and awakeness, a suffering that has the potential to become a healing salve. What will happen if we–individually and collectively–shirk this task? What will fill these spaces when we remove the ability to manifest Love within them?

  3. Svetlana Avatar
    Svetlana

    Arapacana,

    Did you write the above commentry 'A response to…." ? Are you Seth?

    If so, my concern is that Prokofieff gave his question very carefully, supported by a specific methodology, in a particular context, and your response is completely out of this context. You mention esoteric information in your above commentry but there is no such thing as esoteric information, but there is esoteric knowledge learned in the context of living in a human community unmediated by machines.

    Virtual reality is a contructed machine reality, not a created (organic) actuality that incorporates the whole universe (there is a very subtle difference) and in my opinion to imbue a machineic reality with love is a missunderstanding and misuse of the creative quality of the Christ-impuls. Humanities future is in co-creating the Christ/love stream and in this action we redeem others. The question of redemtion is a very deep mystery that can only be approached in a specific mood of soul. Steiner's lecture on the Knights Templar might be helpful to this question.

    I appreciate your efforts, I only hope my feedback is helpful to you. If not just let it go, keep working
    and good luck.
    Svetlana

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